08-30-2004, 08:23 AM
Dave Wrote:The mental gymnastics continue! It's down to quote wars folks, the peshitta hater against the peshitta promoter (/sneer)!
Will they each be hard-headed?
Will either give in to the onslaught of quotes?
OMG! the drama and stress!!
Who shall prevail?
Hehe, I think Paul is the only one on here that catches the provocative, challenging aspect within in me, laughs at it, and then throws it back at me. The rest get upset and start squeeling and running like stuck pigs in a butchers parade down main street. I don't think they get it. Chris,... well, he's just trying to copy what he can to sell in a book /lol
To be honest with you, the Spirit-filled Christians want it all. They feel the greek provided that to them. Now the "peshitto" has most of the books, but then again, it still misses sections that are strong doctrinal issues that mainstream Christianity will not step aside from and loose their blessing from GOD over. Anyone can buy whatever bible they want, but if GOD tells you to buy this or that particular one for HIM to reveal things through, well you pay attention to that.
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Maybe not,....maybe it is! What is currently going on in mainstream Christianity? Just how involved is GOD here in the good old USA? Are the things happening that Jesus talked about and did, happening here? It can be viewed as a litmus test, or better yet, a standard to reach. Now to judge if the KJV is original, that was not said by me. I and many others know the aramaic scriptures correct whole sections within the KJV. I stated it was what GOD was currently using against what others on here wished HE would use. Again, if GOD wants to accept the eastern version of the aramaic scriptures, or even that the scriptures came from some semetic (I left that mispelled on purpose just for Chris, heh) source over the greek, I guess we will have to see. Currently, HE is not. I don't view it as a bias in the church because GOD can do whatever HE wants. HE could change their views in a heartbeat. They are HIS children led by The Holy Spirit so their insight into this is directed by The Almighty. Again, show me people on the street corners beating people over the head with lamsa bibles to bring them into the fold away from hell, then I'll retract what I currently say about it.
Enough for now, time for lunch here
Dear Dave,
You are speaking as though that God only speak through you and not to others. You are speaking as though that only you have the Holy Spirit and others don't. There is no need to liken others with pigs when they are not in agreement with your personal opinions.
Everyone has personal opinions and differences that is due to his or her level of knowledge and personal experiences in life. You should be able to differentiate between personal opinions and what comes from the Holy Spirit. Just because someone disagree with you it doesn't mean that others are wrong and you are right. You have to realize that.
Since you have admitted that you are a Peshitta hater, it is very clear now according to your own admission above that the answer you get from asking "why GOD won't bless the peshitta text" earlier is due to your own hatred for Peshitta text. You are making too much assumption that God is working through English speaking people only. Your view of Christianity is only within English speaking people as though God only bless English.
God is not mocking at Peshitta or Greek text or any other translations like KJV. It is people who is mocking and hating God's word whether Peshitta, Greek, or KJV. Some people in this forum are making unnecessary imaginary war between Greek and Aramaic NT as though God sided with Greek or Aramaic or KJV when the truth is that God uses them to seek and save the lost.
Even if I don't believe that Peshitta is the original, I will not mock it or hate it. How much more if I have not examined its content. I will just consider it an early version that is important to attest to the faithfulness of the Greek NT just like Latin Vulgate. Some Protestant hates Vulgate out of the hatred to the Catholic church. And these are the people who don't even take the trouble to read it. They just criticize without taking the trouble to examine it and attribute their ignorants to the Holy Spirit.
The original KJV 1611 edition has the works called "apocryphal." So being non Catholic, I guess you might hate KJV too. Or perhaps even hate the Greek NT since the apostles quoted from the Septuagint and the Septuagint has the "apocryphal" books.
Actually apocryphal books have nothing to do with Catholic-Protestant feuds. Protestant churches continue reading the Bible with apocrypha until the Protestant Bible societies decided to stop printing it to cut cost so that the Bible can be distributed freely or at cheaper price. Read about the history of Bible societies.
There is a lot of pride in you Dave that you need to let God's Holy Spirit to work on, because God gives grace to the humble but hates the proud. If you spelled "Semitic" wrongly, you should just accept the fact that you made a mistake eventhough when the correction comes from someone like Chris (a person that you dislike). You should not persist with your error by continue to spell it wrongly as Semitic is the accepted spelling when referring to Semites or their languages. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www3.oup.co.uk/semitj/">http://www3.oup.co.uk/semitj/</a><!-- m -->
When one is in error and someone pointed our error, we should be humble enough to admit our mistake instead of continuing with our error. Which one is more important? Our pride or truth?
The same can be said about doctrines in denominational churches. Which one is more important? Truth from the Bible or denominational doctrines?
Many peoples treat being a member of a Church is like being a member of a political party. When they heard that another member is from another denomination, they will be hostile towards the other member just like a Democrat being hostile to a Republican forgetting that Jesus is Lord and all of us are His servants. There is no denomination in the Church. Stop treating the Church like a political party.
There are certain things that you know better than others & certain things that you don't ....so why argue all the time? Why don't we try to understand each other's opinions instead of just taking the opportunity to refute others all the time?
Think about it Dave.
Peace be upon you,
Dan Gan