08-30-2004, 05:04 AM
The mental gymnastics continue! It's down to quote wars folks, the peshitta hater against the peshitta promoter (/sneer)!
Will they each be hard-headed?
Will either give in to the onslaught of quotes?
OMG! the drama and stress!!
Who shall prevail?
Hehe, I think Paul is the only one on here that catches the provocative, challenging aspect within in me, laughs at it, and then throws it back at me. The rest get upset and start squeeling and running like stuck pigs in a butchers parade down main street. I don't think they get it. Chris,... well, he's just trying to copy what he can to sell in a book /lol
Btw, I hope you've feeling great Paul, I'll been trying to keep you in prayer.
Alright, enough of the touchy, feely, kindler, gentler, forum ethics. Back to being a bull in a china shop.
The question would probably be best served by identifying what I feel are GOD's churches. I define them as the ones who have all the aspects of the first century christians happening in it. I think that is about the best way to describe it and covers the most ground.
Well, Paul, think about this, who enlightens you into scripture as you read it? You and I understand that The Holy Spirit quickens the word to bring a depth and understanding that is not capable of happening otherwise. Sections within the prophets of old could be talking about HIS church for the future HE had planned but one would never get the understanding of that without The Spirit of Truth. The apostle Paul related such things at times in his writings, but most were not ready for such meat.
To be honest with you, the Spirit-filled Christians want it all. They feel the greek provided that to them. Now the "peshitto" has most of the books, but then again, it still misses sections that are strong doctrinal issues that mainstream Christianity will not step aside from and loose their blessing from GOD over. Anyone can buy whatever bible they want, but if GOD tells you to buy this or that particular one for HIM to reveal things through, well you pay attention to that.
Anyways, back to my point, Smith Wiggleworth never read anything but his new testament. I mean all the time he read only that, no newspaper, nothing, and never knew a thing about the background of any word that was translated into english in his bible. But,....big but,...he and others like himself, walked this planet and performed miracles that boggle the mind. Their understanding of the scriptures? Beyond words. Oswald Chambers had an understanding that rivals anything that you and I could imagine at the moment, a real depth to what GOD understood and meant. Did any of these folks spend time in the background of the language? No. Should they have? I don't know. Really, I think it would hinder what GOD wanted to put into action. We can become educated idiots and not do a thing for GOD the whole time we are here as one of HIS chosen ones. There are plenty of those that GOD is unable to work with. They base their Christianity on scientific approaches to the word when if they understood what GOD wanted, they would have been in action doing the things that Jesus did and greater. But there you go, it's a choice I guess, or a misleading by our friend mister critter, however you view it.
Maybe not,....maybe it is! What is currently going on in mainstream Christianity? Just how involved is GOD here in the good old USA? Are the things happening that Jesus talked about and did, happening here? It can be viewed as a litmus test, or better yet, a standard to reach. Now to judge if the KJV is original, that was not said by me. I and many others know the aramaic scriptures correct whole sections within the KJV. I stated it was what GOD was currently using against what others on here wished HE would use. Again, if GOD wants to accept the eastern version of the aramaic scriptures, or even that the scriptures came from some semetic (I left that mispelled on purpose just for Chris, heh) source over the greek, I guess we will have to see. Currently, HE is not. I don't view it as a bias in the church because GOD can do whatever HE wants. HE could change their views in a heartbeat. They are HIS children led by The Holy Spirit so their insight into this is directed by The Almighty. Again, show me people on the street corners beating people over the head with lamsa bibles to bring them into the fold away from hell, then I'll retract what I currently say about it.
Enough for now, time for lunch here
Will they each be hard-headed?
Will either give in to the onslaught of quotes?
OMG! the drama and stress!!
Who shall prevail?
Hehe, I think Paul is the only one on here that catches the provocative, challenging aspect within in me, laughs at it, and then throws it back at me. The rest get upset and start squeeling and running like stuck pigs in a butchers parade down main street. I don't think they get it. Chris,... well, he's just trying to copy what he can to sell in a book /lol
Btw, I hope you've feeling great Paul, I'll been trying to keep you in prayer.
Alright, enough of the touchy, feely, kindler, gentler, forum ethics. Back to being a bull in a china shop.
Quote:You're question is irrelevant - first you have to define what are God's churches, then next you have to tell me what control he has over people making their own translations. You have dozens of them in English alone. And they can't even make up their minds on which Greek to use.
The question would probably be best served by identifying what I feel are GOD's churches. I define them as the ones who have all the aspects of the first century christians happening in it. I think that is about the best way to describe it and covers the most ground.
Quote:I don't know why the Western churches don't use the Aramaic. They translated it a long time ago and feel they have no need for it anymore. Most English-speaking Christians don't even read the Greek anymore. They feel the English is sufficient.
Well, Paul, think about this, who enlightens you into scripture as you read it? You and I understand that The Holy Spirit quickens the word to bring a depth and understanding that is not capable of happening otherwise. Sections within the prophets of old could be talking about HIS church for the future HE had planned but one would never get the understanding of that without The Spirit of Truth. The apostle Paul related such things at times in his writings, but most were not ready for such meat.
To be honest with you, the Spirit-filled Christians want it all. They feel the greek provided that to them. Now the "peshitto" has most of the books, but then again, it still misses sections that are strong doctrinal issues that mainstream Christianity will not step aside from and loose their blessing from GOD over. Anyone can buy whatever bible they want, but if GOD tells you to buy this or that particular one for HIM to reveal things through, well you pay attention to that.
Anyways, back to my point, Smith Wiggleworth never read anything but his new testament. I mean all the time he read only that, no newspaper, nothing, and never knew a thing about the background of any word that was translated into english in his bible. But,....big but,...he and others like himself, walked this planet and performed miracles that boggle the mind. Their understanding of the scriptures? Beyond words. Oswald Chambers had an understanding that rivals anything that you and I could imagine at the moment, a real depth to what GOD understood and meant. Did any of these folks spend time in the background of the language? No. Should they have? I don't know. Really, I think it would hinder what GOD wanted to put into action. We can become educated idiots and not do a thing for GOD the whole time we are here as one of HIS chosen ones. There are plenty of those that GOD is unable to work with. They base their Christianity on scientific approaches to the word when if they understood what GOD wanted, they would have been in action doing the things that Jesus did and greater. But there you go, it's a choice I guess, or a misleading by our friend mister critter, however you view it.
Quote:The use of a version in English-speaking congregations in the United States is not the litmus test of whether a version is the original or not.
Maybe not,....maybe it is! What is currently going on in mainstream Christianity? Just how involved is GOD here in the good old USA? Are the things happening that Jesus talked about and did, happening here? It can be viewed as a litmus test, or better yet, a standard to reach. Now to judge if the KJV is original, that was not said by me. I and many others know the aramaic scriptures correct whole sections within the KJV. I stated it was what GOD was currently using against what others on here wished HE would use. Again, if GOD wants to accept the eastern version of the aramaic scriptures, or even that the scriptures came from some semetic (I left that mispelled on purpose just for Chris, heh) source over the greek, I guess we will have to see. Currently, HE is not. I don't view it as a bias in the church because GOD can do whatever HE wants. HE could change their views in a heartbeat. They are HIS children led by The Holy Spirit so their insight into this is directed by The Almighty. Again, show me people on the street corners beating people over the head with lamsa bibles to bring them into the fold away from hell, then I'll retract what I currently say about it.
Enough for now, time for lunch here