10-03-2016, 10:13 PM
(10-03-2016, 09:20 PM)sestir Wrote:Quote:And then with regard to the suggestion that 'John 18:14-23 could be a later addition?', I would consider that quite unlikely. For example, notice the ܕܝܢ (“and”) in John 18:24. In Aramaic we don’t write ܕܝܢ in the second word position for a title or headline.
Thanks Greg! Ουν in the Greek texts has the same function and it is indeed a negative indicium. Did you find any more examples?
However, your suggestion that "the Father" would have corrupted the holy scriptures of the Christians in order to punish us, makes me feel like you and I are probably not on the same team. :/
Sorry, I didn’t mean any disrespect to the Father in any way. I should have clarified what I was saying, and thank you for this opportunity to do just that - I was just trying to emphasize that the Father is the Creator of saga – He empowers not only the faithful but also the enemies of the faith in order to test the faithful.
John 19:11, “Yahshua said to him, ‘You have no power at all over me unless it has been given to you from above; therefore, whoever has delivered me to you has greater sin than yours.’”
Isaiah 45:7, “Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Yahweh, doing all these things.”
When an animal breaks into an orchard and eats a tree branch and roughs up the tree: is it a corruption of the tree in an otherwise perfect world?, or a new perspective/pruning that the Father has allowed to happen so the farmer will learn something and act?
When the Father punished the Israelites by allowing their captivity in Babylon, this resulted in an immense loss of Hebrew writings, and even the Hebrew language itself never recovered.
When a chef breaks an egg, does he corrupt the egg, or prepare a meal?
1 Peter 1:6-7, “...at this time you are a bit weary with various temptations which suddenly come upon you, so that the proof of your faith may appear, which is worth more than refined gold tried in the fire, for glory and honor and praise at the revelation of Yahshua the Messiah.”
The bible warns of “the false pen of the scribes.” Jeremiah 8:8. See also Isaiah 10:1; Ezekiel 20:25 (“Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live. I defiled them through their very gifts, in their offering up all their firstborn, in order that I might horrify them, so that they might know that I am the Lord”); Ezekiel 14:9 (”And if the prophet, when he is deluded, and words a word, I Yahweh delude that prophet, and I spread my hand on him, and desolate him from midst my people Israel.”) Jeremiah 5:31 (”the prophets prophesy falsely and the priests subjugate by their hands”); Jeremiah 8:8 (false pen of the scribes); Jeremiah 14:14-16 (”The prophets prophesy falsehoods in my name: I neither sent them nor misvahed them nor worded to them: they prophesy to you a false vision and divination and worthlessness and the deceit of their heart…. the sword and famine consumes those prophets: and the people to whom they prophesy are cast out in the outways of Jerusalem at the face of the famine and the sword: and there is no one to entomb them — them, their women, their sons and their daughters:”); 1 Kings 22:23 (a false spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets); Isaiah 10:1; Isa. 28:7 (priest and prophet err inadvertently through intoxicants); Lamentations 2:14 (prophets see vain burdens and seductions); Hosea 9:7-8 (”the prophet is a fool: the man of the spirit is insane, because of the abundance of your perversity and the great enmity… the prophet is a snare of the snarer in all his ways;”); Jonah 3:4-10 (false 40 day prophecy); Micah 3:5-11 (prophesying for money); Matt. 16:22 (even after following him for sometime, Peter continued to falsely believe the Messiah would never die); Matt. 22:29 and John 5:42 (on the teachings of the Pharisees); Matthew 7:15-20 (”beware of false prophets…by their fruits you know them.”); Revelation 22:18-19, “I testify to everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book: Whoever will place upon these things, Alha shall place upon him plagues that are written in this book. And whoever subtracts from the words of the writing of this prophecy, Alha shall subtract his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, those things which are written in this book.”