12-09-2013, 03:29 AM
Thirdwoe Wrote:...
Now I cannot read Aramaic (not even as poorly as I can read Greek or Hebrew), BUT ...
And here your discussion ends .. right on the big "BUT" .. again someone who does not know a word of Aramaic "knows" ... that the first churches (read synagogues) used Greek scriptures ... right ... and how do they know that ? And "knows" there is no Aramaic dictionary .. Something is not right here. I would refer them to reading first some basic Aramaic primacy intro .. here comes the post which I held onto first, waiting for explanations but after this I think it is in place. Good luck, and also wish you finding out WHY your friend is asking/disputing Aramaic Primacy - are they going to learn anything from it ? Would it change anything for them ? Would it answer a burning question? If not, then maybe there are better things in life ... <!-- s
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> How does one who believes in Peshitta primacy, account for elements such as "awangelion" which is ...
Loanword.
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I'm an "Aramaic Primiacist" and my account for this is : John 7:24 (look at the full evidence please, not pick and choose "issues" ). A good accountant should provide full information to the management, not only figures for the two summer months in the year.
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Hope it helps.
One can find Greek loanwords in the Peshitta (e.g. this key word, and other such as Pentecost, loaned from Greek, long, long ago by Jews, or the "Christians" term) - If (euangelion) was not a loanword or never appeared in the Peshitta, wouldn't life be simpler, if all was black and white ? Someone on the forum even suggested a theory that is actually an Aramaic "lion" ending. But IF I 1balance ALL pros and cons then for me Aramaic Primacy makes more sense.
I was once told that the first thing people are ready to sacrifice to preserve their beliefs is the truth. If someone comes with an opinion (is and "-ist" from the start) and being challenged throws an argument or two to defend it and is not ready to make a full research (e.g. actually learn the language to a level of understanding, or check historical facts thoroughly, or put any real effort on their part), but rather trusts "the books" or "the authorities", then it is difficult to have a meaningful discussion. I'm not saying that the person asking is not looking for truth, however - are they ready to pay the price of deeper research rather than going for quick answers ? If I'm too mean here, tell me.
Now, here come some questions :
1/ if "awnglwion" was not preserved ...
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So, ... what now remains as the question ?
The extra Peshitta evidence of existence of the loanword amongst Jews/Christians in the region and time of Jesus?