Some questions

[gbausc]

Hi Chuck,

You wrote:

Dave...Y'shua was not talking to himself on the Cross...He was talking to His Father...and His God, as The Scriptures in any language teaches.

Where did that come from? If you are going to fabricate a straw man for my position by implying that I said Yeshua was talking to himself, then I am wasting my time dialoguing with you. I am a Trinitarian, not a Unitarian, and I never have said otherwise, nor ever written anything to the contrary.
You admitted that the reading of Acts 20:28 does not matter to you:

I personally do not care which proves to be the correct version, as its true either way...as I believe and teach that The Messiah is GOD/The Word...incarnate in Y'shua of Nazareth.

So no basic doctrine is at stake here if the scripture says that God shed His blood. I have given you other verses that are even more pointed, that say YHWH's blood and body sacrifice is celebrated in the Lord's supper- 1 Cor. 11, so Acts 20:28 is not exceptional. Also I am unclear as to your point in Hebrews 1:3; are you saying that "His Son" in verse 2 is not referring to Deity, but only his Manhood? Verse three is all predicated of The Son of God in verse 2. Through Him (His Son) God The Father made the worlds; His Son upholds all things by his word (if Paul meant the Father's word, he omitted to say that), but even if that were so, which strikes me as a very and strangely forced construction, still it is His Son who upholds all things. If the Father's uttered word upholds, then The Son is not upholding all things, but The Father is, so your interpretation here is incoherent. All the translations agree on this point, that through ( or in) the Son of God all things were created; either way, that refers to the Deity and Divine nature and Qnoma of Yeshua, as does the entire description of Him in verse 2 & 3, prior to His purging our sins, which is to say that the Deity, in the Person of The Son of God, purged our sins in His blood. Hebrews 9:16, which I also quoted, says the same thing: YHWH had to die to make the New Covenant effective. Jeremiah 31:31 is the OT scripture referred to, where YHWH says, "I will make a new covenant...".
Paul is plainly saying that YHWH shed His blood and died in order to effect the New Covenant.
Are you denying that? The Nestorians do deny that. But if you deny that, then Paul is writing lies in chapter 9, when he writes, "For where there is a testament (covenant), it shows the death of him who made it."

Of course the Messiah shed his blood, and the Messiah is YHWH, so YHWH The Messiah shed His blood. Please do not speak of the Messiah as a mere human:

The Messiah of GOD, the Perfect Sinless Human Being, which GOD's Word/Miltha tabernacled in, and was united with, which suffered, shed His Blood, died, was buried,

That is the heresy of the Gnostics, which you have picked up from Andrew, apparently. He has written that in almost exactly the same words in one of his NT notes. If I need to quote it verbatim and give the specific reference to prove it, I will do so. It is vile blasphemy to say The Divine Word was in the man Yeshua, and that the Messiah was merely human.
You seem to be very confused about what you really believe. You say The Messiah is YHWH Alaha, who died for us. You also say The Messiah is a man in whom The Divine Miltha dwelt. Which is it? It cannot be both.
Scripture does not say Yeshua had the Word/Miltha in Him. It says He is The Word. If you cannot see the supreme difference between those two propositions, I cannot help you, and our discussion is at an end.
I am not prepared to discuss my belief about the Trinity dying with The Messiah, until we can establish who you confess The Messiah to be.
Is He a man with YHWH in Him, or is He YHWH Himself, always, in every circumstance, in all His acts and words, forever and ever, absolutely and unequivocally?

[/i]
Blessings,

Dave