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"Let no (pagan) therefore judge you..."
Those who ran ahead of Paul and foolowed behind are irrelevant. He is not talking about them in this text. Why can't you jst let the text speak?

I do not teach salvation by works. I teach works by salvation.

"the Doers of the Law shall be justified." but "By the works of the Law no flesh shall be justified."

That is, if you are trusting to your own works and are trying to be justified by the Law then you have fallen from Grace. However if you put your trust in Messiah, then He will write the Law on your heart, and His Spirit will cause you to be a Doer of the Law, and by Faith you will Uphold the Law. This is the teaching of Scripture.

Romans 14 says nothing about Dietary Law, or about the Sabbath or Feast of the LORD, these things are read into the text by "Carnal Minds which are Enmity with God because they are not Subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can they be."

Romans 14 is dealing with believers who are abstaining from all CLEAN meat (Lamb, Beef, Venison etc) because they are worried that it might have been sacrificed to an Idol. Though they do not know for sure if it has. We can see this by comparing Scripture with Scripture. Paul talks about the same subject in 1st Corinthians 8-10. What he is saying is simply, if you by some lamb chops down at the market, and you have know way of knowing whether they are Sacrificed to idols or not, then just pray over it, and enjoy. But if you doubt (that is, if you think it is Idol food) then you are damned because you are not eating faith. The reference to says, are related to the subject of food and idolatry. The believers did not know whether it was acceptable to worship on Pagan feast days (worship God that is, not worship idols), and I think that this is speaking directly to the Tradition of Worshiping on Sunday to celebrate the Lord's Resurrection. Paul was saying you are free to keep Sunday to the Lord, or you are free to not keep Sunday to the Lord. He NEVER gives permission to profane the Sabbath.

What Christians are so blind to see, is that even if you could undeniably proove that Paul taught against the Law, all you would have done is proven him to be a false Apostle. NO CHRISTIAN can go on sinning/transgressing the Law. God has already established that every one of His Commandments are founded forever, He did this 1000 years before Paul, God is not a liar, that He would say His Law is forever, and then change it.

"To the Law and the Testimony, if they speak not according to this Word it is because there is no light in them." "The Remnant of her seed, that keep the Commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus Christ."


I have sent you a reply in your message box, since we have strayed from the textual aspect of Peshitta, and are now dealing along the lines of doctrinal matters and the interpretation of such. I would LOVE to continue this discussion right here with you, in a mature and non-judgmental manner, but want to honor the rules of the Forum and Brother Silver's instructions.

If I have transgressed the rules of this forum I apologize.

3rdwoe I would be honoured to continue this discussion with you in private, and have no intention to judge you. I desire nothing less than to find those that I can fellowship with in love and in truth.

I noticed my above post was filled with errors and an entire line was missing, so I will try and fix that when I have the time.

aspiring2slavery Wrote:Furthermore we see that Paul talks of the observance of Holy Days, New Moons, and Sabbaths as being present tense Shadows of things to come (Future Tense). When we compare this with Paul's own life, where he himself kept the Festivals (read Acts), and with the record of the first 250 years of Church History in the West where they all clearly kept the Sabbath and the Festivals. Aswell as the history of the pre-Roman Catholic Church of the East (notably in India and China) which all kept the Seventh-day Sabbath for over a thousand years, and kept Kosher ("the Nestorians eat no pork and keep the Sabbath [New Schaff Hertog Encyclopedia "Nestorians"]; the 16th century Indians were killed by the Portugese Roman Catholics for being "Judaisers" who kept Kosher and observed the Sabbath etc; and the entire church in China was called the "Hwuy that abstain from animals that do not have cloven feet"). It becomes overwhealmingly clear that Colossians 2 is in support of Torah-observance, or at the very least, is NOT teaching against Torah-observance.

What you are saying here is really interesting. Where can I find more information about this? I am interested in having more information about what the church did before Constatine. Can you suggest me a book? Can you send me the info in a private message? I don't want to break the rules of the forum.
Ah!! I just stumbled into this site and am glad that there is much about Syriac. I am from India, from the extreme South West of India, which is historically called 'Malabar'. Mar Thoma is said to have planted our church in AD 52. I am a Malabar Nazerene and deep into my Jewish heritage in order to witness for Isho. We Malabar Nazerenes have lost much of our heritage and I am (along with many others) struggling to gain lost ground. We are not discouraged. It is not fair to accuse the Portugeese-Vatican for the loss of our heritage, because in about the late AD 1400s and early AD 1500. we were under attack from the Moors-Muslims and it was by the help of the the Portugeese that we retained freedom. Similarly in the late AD 1800s, we were again under attack by a powerful Muslim king and this time we went to the British-Anglicans for help. We won on both the occassions and the price we paid was 'loss of our heritage'.

Now, we are free to choose and we do hope that we would not again be under pagans. Most of the Malabar Nazerenes are from the so called 'Lost 10 Tribes of Israel' and the rest are Jewish immigrants from Yemen (including Cohens). We are fused into one community called 'Malabar Nazerenes' and in it there are various groups and sub-groups. YOu can find me and ones similar to me in the 'Orkut' forum under 'Nasrani Judeo Christians' or in 'Nasrani Syrian Christians'.

Progress is being made by us, but it is slow. We are about 6 million. My email is < <!-- e --><a href=""></a><!-- e --> >. I live and work in Canada but a Citizen of India. I long to make Aliya to Israel.
Hello Brother,

There are more with us than with them <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> (2 Kings 6:16)

Even if there is loss of identity or roots today, something that a lot of families suffer today, all those ages will count for an enormous multitude of Malabar Nazarenes, who will be united after the judgement day.

Your brother in faith (from Amsterdam)

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