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1 John 1:9
#1
Brother Rafa,

You know my answer, Christ says only one sin is unforgivable.
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#2
Bro, leaving a Church and then realizing you are wrong and sorry is not schism. Schism is the position of the EO and OO, this in itself is not a sin but rather it is human pride being mistaken for zeal.

If schism is unpardonable, then brother, we are all in big trouble.
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#3
All forgivable. God is faithful even though we are sinful.
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#4
To Blaspheme The Holy Spirit is said to be unforgivable, as far as I have learned. This is just what some of the religious leaders were doing, when Christ was manifesting the power of The Holy Spirit in delivering people from their afflictions, they called this work of The Holy Spirit, the work of the devil.

?Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin? for, they were saying, ?He has an unclean spirit.? Mark 3:28-30
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#5
Rafa, If you have The Holy Spirit of God dwelling in you, and trust with all your heart in God's Christ for your salvation, and are living your life to please God, with His Grace at work in you to do His will...then you are a member of the Body of Christ, wether you have the opportunity to gather or have formally joined the Church of the East or not. I have found that the COE have retained the closest and most faithful form and doctrine since the 1st century of any group of Christians I have fellowshiped with thus far...and I have fellowshiped with many over the last 30+ years of being a Christian. I have recently submitted my membership form with the COE, because I know that they are faithful to the form that has been handed down to them from the Apostles onward, with as little additions as possible.

This book below at the link, is one you can get through Amazon.com and a copy of it is on its way to me in the mail, and I recomend to all to read its pages and get a better understanding of the teachings and practices of the Church of the East.

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Shlama,
Chuck
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#6
Chuck, that is Mar Awa's book, his grace is an amazing man whose faith has enabled him to receive much wisdom from God, that book is absolutely awesome and any non apostolic Christian including messianic Jews should read.
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Yes, I've talked with Mar Awa a few times...a great Brother. I had been waiting on the corrected edition to come out, since he told me about its publication a few months back at Mar Yosip Parish in San Jose, Ca. I've read through all of the Marganitha a few times, so have a pretty good handle on the teachings as they stood then, with some things not being observed today, but most of them...especially the 7 Sacraments.

I do have a question for you if I may...Its concerning the modern (1974) Assyrian flag, and its images and its place in the CEO...I have seen it displayed in a Parish, and small flags sold in the book case in the lobby of another Parish. And I have seen it on some Church affiliated websites, and even one of its images on a Peshitta OT, which you can buy online. I have read up on the artist who created the flag design, and its meanings, so I am a bit concerned.

Shlama,
Chuck
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#8
What's the question?
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#9
How do Church of the East Christians and or Leadership feel about the flags images, being two anceint Assyrian false gods, Chemosh and Ashur. Are they ok with this being in the Parish and in their homes and representitive of their Nation?

I have learned that the Original modern Assyrian flag design in the early 1900s, until the new one was crafted, had an all white background with a blue Cross on it. I would think that is a much better choice of a flag to fly, to represent the Assyrian Nation, with so many being Christians. The new design, seems very out of step to me with the beliefs of the Assyrian People.
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Thirdwoe Wrote:How do Church of the East Christians and or Leadership feel about the flags images, being two anceint Assyrian false gods, Chemosh and Ashur. Are they ok with this being in the Parish and in their homes and representitive of their Nation?

I have learned that the Original modern Assyrian flag design in the early 1900s, until the new one was crafted, had an all white background with a blue Cross on it. I would think that is a much better choice of a flag to fly, to represent the Assyrian Nation, with so many being Christians. The new design, seems very out of step to me with the beliefs of the Assyrian People.

Shlama Akhi Chuck.

It is an abomination to many of us. Personally I find the flag itself offensive to my faith, and so do many of the clergy and laity of the church.

Unfortunately, you will discover that not many people understand the symbolism of that unofficial flag. They are just so used to seeing it. Once it is brought to their attention, their reaction is either the same as mine was, or they find justification in all sorts of comparisons of the ancient paganism with our Christianity (which are false of course.)

It's a hot topic and people on both sides at very passionate about it. I've personally seen that flag taken out of parishes. We don't have one at Mar Yukhanan church. There is an official CoE flag, I'm sure you've seen it. That flag, and the flag of the nation the parish is in, should be the only flags visible within the church sanctuary.

I've been to a funeral where a fight erupted between the priest/deacons and family. The clergy refused to continue with the service until that flag was removed from the coffin it was draping. They would not allow it at the burial site, either. I say, good to them.

Those of us who know the meaning and origin of that flag are in a constant struggle to educate the parishioners about it.

+Shamasha
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#11
I'm only aware of one flag and that being the one with the star in the middle and the blue and red stripes coming from the star leading to all four corners of the flag.
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Alan G77 Wrote:I'm only aware of one flag and that being the one with the star in the middle and the blue and red stripes coming from the star leading to all four corners of the flag.

Shlama Akhan Alan.

Unfortunately many of our people are unaware of the symbolism on the flag. Particularly disturbing is the imagery of two pagan deities, Shamash (the sun) and Assur (the pre-Christian deity). This flag was created recently by the AUA and the Beth-Nahrain political parties.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_flag

This pagan flag should not be anyway in our churches, especially not near the holy sanctuary as I've sometimes seen it.

+Shamasha
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#13
Nothing burns me more than Assyrian secularists. Reminds me of when the Jews cried out for a King.
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Alan G77 Wrote:Nothing burns me more than Assyrian secularists. Reminds me of when the Jews cried out for a King.

I hear you. Now how do we get rid of these flags from around the area of the Holy Qanke? I'm trying my best whenever I see them to let the priest and church committee know. Many times they are totally clueless about the symbols on it. I know I was at one time.

Our ancestors buried those idols in the sand a long time ago. I can't imagine the Holy Spirit is ok with their presence in the sanctuary.

+Shamasha
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This is the one I'm talking about...I wonder if he or she....(can't tell) knows what they put on their body.

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And here is the flag itself
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Here is where the sun/star comes from-shamash/chemosh the false sun god of the Baylonians
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The other image on the flag comes from this image, which is said here to be of shamash as well...but I think it is of ashur the false god of ancient Assyria.
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Online there is an explination of the flag and a bit of its history.
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