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I recently purchased the Lamsa translation - Christian - 02-18-2004

I recently purchased the Lamsa translation it includes both New and Old testaments i saw something very odd with this translation Genesis 10:2 says the sons of Japheth were Gomer MONGOLIA Madai JAvan Tubal Mesech and Tiras, Genesis 10:4 then said and the sons of Javan Elishah Tarshish CHINA and Doranim. There must be some sort of mistranslation or some type of literalism because since when are China and Mongolia there? furthermore Javan and Mongolia are brother, Greece is Javan in Hebrew from what i'm told so it would strike me a little odd can anyone give me any response to this translation on why he would use China and Mongolia and not use the traditional names in that case he should have translated Javan as Greece. I would like to be corrected if I'm wrong and i say this in a very respectful manner i am not a scholar but I have one comment to make I do believe that Corinthians and Ephesians and some of the Epistles of Paul were written in Greek because he was adressing the Greek speaking Gentile world at the time sure many were Jews aswell but these were Jews from the Diaspora and these Jews probably used the Septuagint not to mention the Greek speaking Gentile converts would not be able to read or understand Aramaic, and Paul being a Roman citizen must have spoken to the Romans in Greek when he was bound. It mentions he spoke to the Judeans in Aramaic when adressing Them , so he wouldn't have adressed the Greeks when he went to Asia minor or the Romans in Aramaic, how else would the gentiles understand the word of God? Im just giving my opinion im not saying anything bad about the Peshitta only to me it seems more logical that atleast the epistles were written in Greek , as for the Gospels i could understand them being written in Aramaic with the exception of Lukes Gospel and maybe Marks because when he translates talitha kumi he writes it there and then he says what he means ... Talitha Kumi, arise little girl. why would he write that portion if everything was in Aramaic in the first place? i just have some questions i can't say im a sage in this area whatsoever im just stating what my preconceptions and would like to be corrected if otherwise proven wrong.

Re: - Larry Kelsey - 02-19-2004

Shalom Christian and welcome to the forum,

I've never heard any confirmation from anyone that Magog means Mongolia or Cathay means China.
Some of Lamsa's stuff lacks a firm foundation unfortunately. Please don't give up on his translation, though. Until Bro. Yaqira releases his Aramaic translation of the whole Bible, Lamsa's stands alone I suppose.
I'm referring to "The Open Holy Bible: The Old & New Testament, a New Translation from the Oldest Known Aramaic Manuscripts into the English Language" by Mar M. Yaqira. The release of this Bible has been on hold now for a couple of years I think...wonder what the holdup is? <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->
I agree with you about the name Javan. Why didn't he go ahead and translate this Greece? Good point! <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
For proof that the Aramaic text was here first and that the Greek is just a translation (known as Aramaic primacy), look at some of the other categories on the forum. Also, anyone who prayerfully and diligently reads William Norton's book at the Scholarly Reprints website will no longer have the slightest doubt that the Aramaic text is the REAL original.

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Go to this link and scroll down to "Norton, William"

Norton, William. A Translation in English Daily Used, of the Peshito-Syriac Text, and of the Received Greek Text, of Hebrews, James, I Peter and I John. 1889. 180 pp. Introduction and comparisons. {#1339}. $20.

Don't let the title fool you. The introduction is very long for a 180-page book and it's loaded with 'meaty chunks' from very reliable sources. Prepare to have your mind completely blown, not only by his comments and quotes from eminent Syriacists and other notables, but also by his parallel translations of the Aramaic Peshitta and Greek Received Text of Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, and 1 John.
They do things one-at-a-time and I guess what takes so long is the bindery work, but when it finally made it to my doorstep, jusy one quick glance at the contents let me know it was worth the wait!

Shlama w'Burkate, (Peace and Blessings), Bro. Larry