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In saying this, he declared all foods clean - Rob - 01-27-2004 Quote:Mark 7:19 That little end tidbit is not found in the Peshitta, for good reason. Whether or not you obey every bit of the Torah, you are still obligated to agree that Yeshua obeyed it. If he didn't, he succumbed to this: Quote:Deuteronomy 13:1-5 Re: "made all foods clean" - Larry Kelsey - 01-27-2004 Shlama Akhi Rob, Nice observation, rakhmi <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="" title="Happy" /><!-- s --> No wonder our Jewish counterparts struggle with the New Testament so much. Stuff like this is in it! <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sad.gif" alt="" title="Sad" /><!-- s --> By the way, check out the sizable omission in verse 8 of that same chapter in the Revised English Version of 1881---"immersions of cups and pots; and many things which are like these." The Peshitta and the Received Greek Text both have the full verse. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s --> Hmmm...."baptizing cups and pots; and many things like these" How does "vessel baptism" fit into Judaic studies, akhi Rob? <!-- s:dontgetit: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/dontgetit.gif" alt=":dontgetit:" title="Dont Get It" /><!-- s:dontgetit: --> Shlama w'Burkate, Larry Kelsey - Gentile - 01-28-2004 The metaphor used by Christ is excellent when used against those caught up in rituals and failing to see the deeper things but in any case translations always gave this bit in brackets so I think it is unlikely that he said it. It all depends anyway on your viewpoint - did Christ do away with the Torah or maintain it? This has been a hot issue for centuries. My take is that he confirm the Torah but wanted to end robotic rituals with no substance in them and try and get people to open their hearts more. Jeremiah and Isaiah also say similar things. - Rob - 01-28-2004 Quote:My take is that he confirm the Torah but wanted to end robotic rituals with no substance in them and try and get people to open their hearts more. Jeremiah and Isaiah also say similar things.Some people refer to this type of language regarding the Torah as a superlative comparison. Meaning that the actual language may be against the torah, but the point is not. The language is harsh in order to straighten out priorities and express the point. Quote:Matthew 23:23 - Rob - 01-28-2004 Here's a good example: Quote:Ezekiel 39:19 Re: In saying this, he declared all foods clean - Zechariah14 - 01-29-2004 Rob Wrote:Quote:Mark 7:19 Hi Rob, It is not in the Greek text, either. The Greek text does not say ???Thus He declared.??? It simply reads katharidzown panta ta bromata. Jay Green's interlinear translates this as ???purging all the foods.??? In the context of Mark 7, Yeshua says that it is not eating with unwashed (or common) hands that makes one unclean, but what goes into a person???s heart. The parallel passage in Matthew 15:1-2 clears up the whole context: ???Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Yeshua from Yerushalayim, saying, ???Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.?????? The passage isn't about food, or making unclean food clean. It is about whether not washing your hands in the manner of the Pharisees makes clean food unclean. The Pharisees said "yes," and this is why Messiah said to them in Matt 15: 3: And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" ???Thus He declared??? is a blatant addition by NASB translators for the purpose of inserting a particular theology into the text. Messiah did not abolish the Biblical dietary commandments in Mark 7. He criticized the Pharisees for ritualistic handwashing and said that food eaten with unwashed hands was still clean. However, at the same time He said that what is more important is what comes out of a man???s mouth. Your brother, Zechariah14 - Rob - 01-29-2004 How embarassing for David Stern, he tried to reconcile it without even handling it. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sleepy.gif" alt="" title="Sleepy" /><!-- s --> . - drmlanc - 01-29-2004 Hey Rob, ""You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. "" in Matthew 23:23 This is a good reading to support Mosaic law in the NT. In fact, good work on reminding me of this verse, I must add it to the doctrinal Peshitta article!!! I think you'll find the Peshitta really says: "You should have practiced the latter, and not neglected them" The Peshitta does not say "without neglecting the former" Now suddenly the verse is a strong case in point for those who believe the Mosaic law is the schoolmaster that is obsolete. All the important moral stuff from the mosaic law is all in the NT law anyway <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy.gif" alt="" title="Happy" /><!-- s --> |